Jenny, you asked, “…what is the Biblical passage that says that one has to eat fish on Good Friday…”. I know submission, humility and obedience are not popular terms in the 21st century West, but how do you trust in Christ if you don’t trust what He did in establishing His Church? I felt that I analyzed that article, also line-for-line, cut-copy-and-paste, as fairly as possible. “What’s the point of meatless Fridays? This is because the Church is run by fallible human beings (except for the Pope in matters of dogma), therefore, I would say that the clergy, lay people, and the Pope are the children, and God is the parent. Actually, if you were REALLY interested in what it had to say, you could’ve easily watched it on EWTN or even purchased the program from A&E. However, when those individuals direct us contrary to the Lord and His Word, even if they hold some religious title, we are not obligated to listen to them nor should we. “Our Church deals exclusively in faith–the area that can not be proven or disproven.” Esau, Some Protestants I know would beg to differ! I’ll admit, I’ve thrown out a couple, but I certainly wasn’t the one who started calling people names. We would need to hit the confessional and do something to make up for our transgressions. I understand that the Church’s stance on the Crusades was that they were fighting wars of self-defense, but this is only partially true. DJK, For one thing, it means that as men, they will not necessarily put into practice perfectly everything that they preach. Here is a dissenting opinion on Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. In these terms, I suppose the original question could be is it just for the Church to declare meating meat on a Friday a mortal sin? If DJK seeks to justify his comment that because such things were implied from various posts and, therefore, it was the same as folks explicitly stating such things; then, the very same reasoning can certainly apply to the vile innuendo judged from DJK’s comments! If is already abstaining from meat, then they’d do something in addition. Non-infallible teachings are still reliable. I think we have all posted comments we later wish we hadn’t, and sometimes it is better to hit the “delete” button before hitting the “post” button.” I AM ONE OF THOSE WHO FAITHFULLY FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH YOU IGNORANT A___! I pointed out a perfectly legitimate use of the game (to explain the danger of rumors). Relativism is not an option. That’s ok. That at times people in positions of authority have used poor judgment? In other words, Jesus saw things that were wrong with the current practices, and sought to change them. I’d be leading the charge! ” without any substantial documentation on his part other than to merely accept his Wikipedia reference as a reliable source on the matter?” As for those who didn’t do anything when neighbor was run out town, one could ask what you’re doing about abortion. Now, each theologian who questions the practice of excluding women from ordained ministerial priesthood must defend his or her orthodoxy to some extent. “The exact books that are present were picked because of their authors, subject matter, and consistent portrayal of God.” As I stated earlier, the ordination of women is a separate issue. We must acknowedge the things that happened in these days. That’s relativism. (I know that you know that, but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded of it from time to time.) That’s a matter of the heart and it’s between that person and God. I did clearly state that I have been looking for a more authentic source of the quote to see if it was real or taken out of context. Yet your first post on this thread called others’ views “ignorant” and one of your most recent tells Tim that he “sounds like an ass.” You accuse Esau of having bias, yet act blind to your own bias. What the hell is your problem? 4 He who saith that he knoweth him and keepeth not his commandments is a liar: and the truth is not in him. I am sure that many of those church leaders believed that they were doing things for the “common good” and that they had the best of intentions. The organization has walked right through on their own. On your other points, the Church has long rejected “theogological positivism” where only infallible statements count and all other teachings are up for grabs. I also think you’re wrong, but then “I” might be wrong! But let’s back up a minute. In these Lent-related posts, you’re reducing Lenten fasting to what you personally and arbitrarily declare “reasonable”, and your bias shows. However, you fail to grasp the fact that it was the Catholic Church that Christ Himself founded! DJK: Going back to your most recent post yet again: It talks about the importance of baptism, fasting, prayer and the Eucharist in the lives of the early Christians. The entire meaning of Lent is to instill in us the selfless desire for God over the World and the things of the Flesh; to overcome the ‘self’ and learn self-detachment, self-denial and, above all, self-less devotion to God over temporal and worldly things. DJK, This character (Protestant of course) painted Spaniards as barbarians who ravished women and sodomized young boys. You might start here. When did the magisterium decide to elevate the all-male priesthood teaching to infallible? The Apostles repeatedly doubted Jesus, they denied him, and one even betrayed him to the Romans. First you say that we Catholics misinterpret the scriptures, then you say that you see the intended meaning. Its not a life of poverty but it does at least show me the right way to treat God, and it normally shows me that giving up things isnt as bad as I tend to think it will be. The so-called “heretics” were tortured, beaten, imprisoned, and/or killed. The general interpretation is quite comical seeing as how I’ve never seen a gate try to attack someone as they’re walking their dog. Going Deaf, ——————————————————————————– They haven’t verbally attacked you yet. Examples of such teachings are those on the all-male priesthood and contraception. Is this not also BLIND OBEDIENCE? You had been asked several times by several people to stop with the vague quotes. And the link that was posted above supposedly giving evidence that petra and petros mean the same thing is extremely weak at its very best. That exercize of authority is a sign of true stewardship of God’s church on earth. MJG, 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked. if that is the case, offer up something else. In fact, they did. I don’t say that DJK is right — only that no one seems willing to address anything he says. Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the Feast of the Apostles SS. They would not bring it up in the first place unless they thought it proves something about the Catholic Church. The Church has always existed in it’s current form There is a very common classroom exercise that I can almost guarantee that every Catholic under the age of 25 has done a thousand times in religion classes. There are two types of responses you can have to things like that. In light of all this and more, how can you actually treat DJK as blameless in the matter? To plant the problem of conscience before time could start problems and not convert the people. DJK, in your 7:09 pm post yesterday, you said it was “a very ignorant view” to compare the Church as parents and lay people as children. The problem is the results were anything but Christian. I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. Nor did I say that priesthood makes a man perfect, unable to behave badly. Well on editing it, and using risky language. . So watch what you say. The resurrection debate proves nothing yet (probably never will). Here’s a few quotes: You are willingly submitting to there authority. I wonder if the below quotes, taken from the Mary Ann Glendon article, will be helpful to anyone: If you don’t believe me, look up some of the darker parts of our history–decisions were made in the name of the Lord that he would NEVER have approved of (Crusades, Inquisitions, political maneuvering, etc.). Concerning the Teaching Contained in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis You can’t approach it with the attitude of the ex-seminarian, who somehow believes that the “removal of all doubt” is meant to cast doubt on all things. So there! I just cited the BBC documentary as one example. I’m not trying to suggest that the church would do away with any infallible teaching, only one where the infallible status is ambiguous. You mean to tell me that if enough people acknowledge something as authentic and if you find it enough times as being declared as such, that that would actually make it true? What is your problem? Actually, it is the Church that is infallible, and the Pope is infallible only when and to the extent he exercises the Church’s charism of infallibility. To refuse to do even these minimal things is to reject the Christian life, the Church, and Christ Himself. 11 Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Perhaps you should call for an inquisition. But if I trivialise the rule by ignoring it, then perhaps I will be failing to present that challenge from Christ to the people around me, who might be the people it would benefit. I was not suggesting that anyone should not give up meat on friday. It’s only the truth because we believe in it—it’s faith. At least, in my posts concerning you, all of those words I posted there about you came from actual comments from you! I suggest you research Tomás de Torquemada. You all, I think, don’t know how important it is that the NCW is corrected, it’s not a small matter. 1 Corinthians 8: I will leave you to find information on your own (hint: read the Alhambra decree, esp. Use the above resources to balance whatever you’ve heard. I am not insulted, I kind of expected a response like this from someone. Maybe the state, with absolutley no input from the Church, can have a few executed in the name of Jesus? 12 Be glad and rejoice for your reward is very great in heaven. None of this makes the Catholic Church an evil organization. I hate to break it to you, but a story claiming that the Church wants to rewrite the history of the Inquisitions plays right into their action line.” If we are to believe that a single BBC special could clear the Church of any possible wrongdoing in the inquisitions, then I would think that we could also say that MM was an apostle, and that she is buried next to her husband, Jesus. Part of the reason why the Church asks us to mark Fridays by refraining from eating meat is to remember that on this day Christ died for our sins, and therefore it is good for us to keep it as a day of penance. With regard to fasting and abstinence, it’s a spiritual training of sorts. I’m the one who posted that link, and I’m also the only person on this page who has given a dissenting opinion. To draw on the conversation from another thread, one of the great misconceptions about ecuminism, is the notion that dialogue or debate must produce immediate results for it to be “successful.” The same is true here. another human being. Would it have been better to suggest that the teaching was in error because it ultimatly violated God’s will (or the Golden Rule)? Tim J Is it POSSIBLE that the massive amount of dissent among laypeople could be God’s way of providing a POTENTIAL truth to the magisterium on a teaching? Although this is a secular explaination, it does not conflict with the idea that God gave his only son to save us from sin. As such, it inevitably suffered communication problems. How do we know that the Bible is actually accurate? As for you perscuting those who actually FAITHFULLY follow the Teachings of Christ Much of this written history suggests that the Church and state worked hand-in-hand. I know that you do not intend to be talking about such teachings, but it does not appear to me that you are comprehending what the Church means here. (By the way, you do know that it’s hardly possible to come post here without some sort of IP address trace, right?) What I HAVE said is that WE as laypeople have an OBLIGATION to question the non-infallible teachings of the Church when our consciences honestly tell us that something may be wrong. My understanding is that the church is guaranteed to never release a teaching that would prevent someone from going to heaven. Q96. * anti-Catholic 2. ‘The Church is evil‘ is the wrong answer. On the inquisitions, Karl Keating has a good chapter in his book Catholicism and Fundamentalism. Again, are we looking for the bare minimum that we are forced to accept in order to qualify as technically Catholic? While the Master is away, if the head servant makes foolish decisions and squanders the Master’s fortune, there is no “do-over” when the Master returns and discovers his fortune was squandered. I am asking if the ambiguitiy of the situation might allow a future Pope/magisterium to overturn the infallibility of the all-male priesthood on similar grounds? Mary Kay Even the many websites that promote this video make the same claim! It is a tradition which has evolved over hundreds of years. uh, that’s what I was trying to say. Let me ask YOU a question, DJK; Would you support a new Reformation? It was quite an ungodly way to begin and I’m sorry. It’s a good guess that it was probably a death sentence to own a Christian document during the days where Rome illegalized Christianity. So who did the picking? Did you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinatio_Sacerdotalis? Esquire Obedience only with those things you agree with is not obedience.
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